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jimd3100 on Tue, 12/22/2009 - 12:25pm.
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Ted Olson There seems to be a bit of controversy in the so called "9/11 Truth Movement" on whether the phone calls from the planes were fake or not. The most well known proponent of this theory is David Ray Griffin and his take on the Barbara Olson phone calls to her husband Ted Olson. Let's examine this closely and see if there is any merit to this "fake Phone calls" theory. I would hope that the 9/11 truth crowd is serious on promoting the truth, and solid evidence, being responsible and promoting well researched factual "evidence". The "Fake" Phone calls According to David Ray Griffin (DRG)... "Olson’s Story Contradicted by the FBI" "The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olson’s story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights." "In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted "0 seconds." "According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone." "Back on 9/11, the FBI itself had interviewed Olson. A report of that interview indicates that Olson told the FBI agents that his wife had called him twice from Flight 77." "And yet the FBI's report on calls from Flight 77, presented in 2006, indicated that no such calls occurred." "This was an amazing development: The FBI is part of the Department of Justice, and yet its report undermined the well-publicized claim of the DOJ’s former solicitor general that he had received two calls from his wife on 9/11."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8514 He is referring to this .....
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/calls/Flight77/BarbaraO... But doesn't mention that there were 5 other calls from the flight, presented at the same trial. How come? 5 other calls...made by someone on the plane....who? Who made these calls?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/Rwz-Ib8-fCI/AAAAAAAAAr8/n-30ErtLxA... DRG says..."According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8514 However, according to the FBI, Ted Olson is being truthful. The trial was in 2006. Ted Olson wasn't on trial so there was no need to prove anything in regards to him or his phone calls. The entire FBI isn't "in on it". They contacted the next of kin of all the passengers of the flights, and all those receiving calls....the documents are here.....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499802/T7-B13-Flight-Call-Notes-and-302s-Fol... Right from the start the FBI stated that Ted Olson didn't know if the calls were cell phone calls or Airfone calls. His secretary Lori Keyton is the one that took these calls at first, not Ted Olson, and she states that they were collect calls, that means they were probably not from her cell phone and there should be operators that would confirm this. The FBI documents concerning this can be seen here....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15072623/T1A-B33-Four-Flights-Phone-Calls-and-... The FBI interviewed Olson’s secretary Lori Keyton.....
From FBI Document: "Keyton provided the following information: "Keyton was working in Ted Olson's Office this morning. She is regularly called there to cover the telephones. At approximately 9:00am, she received a series of approximately six to eight collect telephone calls. Each of the calls was an automated collect call. There was a recording advising of the collect call and requesting she hold for an operator. A short time later another recording stated that all operators were busy, please hang up and try your call later." "Keyton then received a collect call from a live operator. The operator advised that there was an emergency collect call from Barbara Olson for Ted Olson. Keyton advised that she would accept the call. Barbara Olson was put through and sounded hysterical. Barbara Olson said, "Can you tell Ted .. " Keyton cut her off and said, "I'll put him on the line." "Keyton advised that there is no caller identification feature on the phone she was using. Keyton didn't know if Barbara Olson was calling from the phone on the plane or from her cell phone."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-14-FBI-FD302-lori-lynn-keyton.pdf So as you can see, Ted Olson has several witnesses backing up his story, one is his secretary, and others are the operators who put some of these calls through. "Teresa Gonzalez, operator for AT&T Services AT&T, telephonically contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI to report an emergency phone call received by AT&T. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, she provided the following information: "Mercy Lorenzo, also an operator with AT&T, received a call from a female passenger on flight 77 requesting to be transferred to telephone number 202-514-2201. The female passenger advised the plane was being hi-jacked. Hi-jackers were ordering passengers to move to the back of the plane and were armed with guns and knives. Lorenzo indicated the pilot might not yet be aware of the take over of the plane." "Additionally, the number provided was the number of the passenger's husband. He is a Sergeant and resides in Washington, D.C."
911myths.com/images/9/95/265A-NY-280350-302-22170-Unredacted.pdf Yes, that phone number is to the United States Solicitor General...just type in into google...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=+202-514-2201&btnG=Search&... Ted Olson was not a "Sergeant" he was United States Solicitor General. And notice that link is to a debunkers site. Evidence shows the calls happened as Olson said, and there’s no evidence they didn’t, so why wouldn't debunkers point that out? This nonsense of no planes, flyovers, missiles, and fake calls, and victims being "in on it" helps debunkers, Government apologists, and the very people/entities that so called "truthers" are claiming to expose. Those that promote this nonsense are assisting the very people they claim they are opposing. So Ted Olson's story is confirmed over and over again by people who don't even know him. DRG also says this..... "And yet the FBI's report on calls from Flight 77, presented in 2006, indicated that no such calls occurred." "This was an amazing development: The FBI is part of the Department of Justice, and yet its report undermined the well-publicized claim of the DOJ’s former solicitor general that he had received two calls from his wife on 9/11."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8514 Yes, the FBI is part of the Department of Justice, and 2 years before the Moussaoui trial all this info was known to them, and the Department of Justice confirmed Olson’s story. DRG claims the FBI’s report “undermined” Olson’s claim to have received two calls from his wife. However this document seems to prove otherwise..... "Event: Department of Justice briefing on cell and phone calls from AA Flight 77" "Date: May 20, 2004" "This work was conducted in support of the U.S. Justice Department's criminal case against Zacarias Moussaoui." "While there was no direct evidence with respect to the "unknown calls," interviews with recipients (especially Lori Keyton who was answering the phone in Ted Olson's office on 9/11), plus interviews of family members of other Flight 77 passengers, has lead to the conclusion that all of these unknown calls were from Barbara Olson to her husband Ted's office."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18886083/T7-B12-Flight-93-Calls-General-Fdr-52... "unknown" calls from Flight 77:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/Rwz-Ib8-fCI/AAAAAAAAAr8/n-30ErtLxA... Who made these calls? According to DRG the Justice department admitted Barbara didn't call Ted Olson....This is NOT TRUE!: According to the Justice Department: "all of these unknown calls were from Barbara Olson to her husband Ted's office."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18886083/T7-B12-Flight-93-Calls-General-Fdr-52... So one might wonder....why didn't they explain all this at the trial? My guess is....I think to use an airphone you either use a credit card and pay for it yourself, or you call an operator and have the other person pay as a collect call. Which seems to be what Beamer did, according to the operator that answered the call..... "He told me that he had dialed zero to report his plane was being hijacked..."
http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/09-02/09-10-02/a02wn022.htm If you use a credit card and pay yourself you dial the number yourself and a record from the airphone is then made. She did that once and it didn't go through...you have the one recorded call, and the number dialed from the airphone. The others were made collect and therefor the operator dialed the number not the person using the airphone therefor the number called is unknown(not dialed on the airphone) but the time the airphone was used is known and recorded. By talking to the operators, Keyton, and the other family members it aint hard to figure out where these calls went......... "Mercy Lorenzo, also an operator with AT&T, received a call from a female passenger on flight 77 requesting to be transferred to telephone number 202-514-2201.
911myths.com/images/9/95/265A-NY-280350-302-22170-Unredacted.pdf she received a series of approximately six to eight collect telephone calls.
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-09-14-FBI-FD302-lori-lynn-keyton.pdf The trial was in 2006, and the evidence presented was simply the calls. The airphone calls were classified as "unknown" because they were collect calls and no record from the airphone recorded the number dialed as the operator, ....not the person using the airphone, dialed the number. They could have gone ahead and presented the evidence to show who made these "unknown" number calls, as they already found out in 2004 as the documents show, but there was no reason to do that because Ted Olson wasn't on trial, and it would be irrelevant to the case and a waste of the courts time. Anyway, that's my guess. DRG also says there weren't any Airfones on American Airlines. Yea, that's because they were being taken out of the aircrafts. In 2002. In order to take the Airfones out in 2002, they have to be in first,.. 9/11 happened in 2001. American Airlines had AirFones in 2001: "February 6, 2002 4:20 PM PST": "American Airlines will discontinue its AT&T in-flight phone service by March 31, a spokesman for the airline said Wednesday." "American will stop the service by March 31 and then take steps to remove the phones from its airplanes."
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1033-831093.html DRG knows this, and has for years, as debunkers enjoy pointing out....
screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/05/debunking-david-ray-griffin.html P4T, DRG himself, and debunkers all know this is false info.....
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_go0r2XYwpws/Rut6XRAnZ9I/AAAAAAAAAL8/h3RSUc1GUj... screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/09/aa-77-airfones-final-story.html I have seen no evidence that supports the notion of "fake phone calls". Only evidence that they are indeed real. If there is no evidence of fake phone calls it is irresponsible and rather outrageous to accuse people who lost loved ones on that tragic day of lieing or being "in on it", simply to keep a faulty theory alive. For years I've seen over and over the "Ted Olson is a liar" mantra put forth by the "truth" movement, led by DRG, when the evidence actually supports Mr Olson. A real big clue of someone not being "in on it" is when they, or a person close to them are dead. Like John O'Neill. Because of 9/11 he is dead. That is a pretty good clue he isn't "in on it". Ted Olson had a wife that is dead due to 9/11. DRG has no evidence he lied or is "in on it", and he has no evidence that phone calls were faked. One may not like Olson or his politics, but to accuse him of "being in on it", or to claim phone calls were faked, when there's no evidence to support these claims, is extremely counter productive and IMO offensive.The evidence shows me she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I prefer the "truth" movement focus on truth, and have it's "facts" in order. Accusing victims of the attack as being "in on it" liars, when the evidence isn't there doesn't help a "truth" movement. It destroys it.